Good point on context, I added “(as a VOIP solution)”. The benefit of Discord’s integrated services should apply to a vote if it’s something the person prefers vs using 3rd-party/self-hosted alternatives along with Mumble.
We have a large regular group on the Discord compared to Mumble Mumble maybe great for chatting but Discord has alot more people just chillin on it at the moment from what I’ve seen . wouldn’t mind seeing @Ulfnic there on discord either ;p
On features i’m thinking Mumble might be good for throwing up spot instances for discussion that’s free of distraction + higher security/privacy.
Discord is better as a persistant central hub that’s a mish mash of all things going on.
There’s something to be said for using and encouraging people to use apps that respect software freedom, it keeps up the pressure on software to move in the right direction if people vote with their feet.
There’s also something to be said for community accessibility and i’d argue it’s just as harmful to software freedom if there’s no gradual on ramp. In a way it’s also a vote for the gaps free software needs to fill.
Well, I tried to install Mumble once (the server side), and it was a Sysadmin’s nightmare. The backend was very, very ugly. Extremely dated. It needs a very serious makeover. Like a total redesign, keeping pretty much the noise-cancellation feature, and that’s about it.
I agree that we ought to have an option which is both Open Source, and privacy-friendly somehow or other. Is this DLN Discourse server on-prem? Or out in the cloud? Does DLN run any sort of community chat servers that are on-prem?
Maybe a compromise might look like this:
Discord could be used in a general, default way (for VOIP), whenever privacy doesn’t really matter. But for those more rare occasions where privacy does matter (sensitive specifics need to be exchanged, like login credentials, IP addresses, etc), then use an on-prem chat server for that, which is more secure (but not as feature-rich as Discord).
The backend (murmur) is CLI only as far as I remeber and all the settings are set in a murmur.ini file if I recall from last I set up a mumble server (which is actually still running). It wasn’t that bad, but it sure isn’t for non-techy folks.
That’s about the only good thing Discord has/does. It makes it easy to set up a “server” where you can invite people too. Even non-techy people can do it.
Couldn’t agree more, it’s THE WORST. In their defense it’s up and running the moment you install it but configuring it is pretty bad and I have years of experience with it. Needs a ground up rewrite.
Major hosting vendors are highly incentivized to not open their customer’s servers to obtain user generated keys for cracking encryption over their networks. Discord already has the keys and is highly incentivized to data mine it’s users.
I’d agree on-prem is more private (assuming equivalent security) but we’re talking night and day difference between on-prem/major cloud vs Discord. Even if their user agreement prevents sharing of collected data Discord is one acquisition away from it being dumped in the lap of an Evil Corp.
Discord is an alternative compromise to something like a public forum, I don’t think near 0 privacy/security and direct exposure to data mining can be called a compromise to cloud hosted mumble.
I use discord for gaming and to follow several Linux groups (Wimpy’s World, UltimatePiServer, SelfHosted, etc). The last thing I need is another app running, doing basically the same thing (but not as well or simply).
I think I’d be in the strongly prefer Mumble camp, mainly for the self hosted aspect of it. However Discord is nice in the fact that it’s integrated with rich chat rooms and is easily accessible for people. The whole Mumble certificate situation takes getting used to.